Added new newsgroups to our hierarchie

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rek2 hispagatos

2024-09-01 17:45:40 UTC

server:
https://news.hispagatos.org

Please if you are peering with us "news.hispagatos.org"
or someone that is peering with us and carry our hierarchies
please carry us. We have very active newsgroups.

- hispagatos.hacking.ctf
- hispagatos.hacking.exploits
- hispagatos.hacking.news

The ones we had for some time:

- hispagaos.talk
- hispagatos.test
- hispagatos.comunicados
- hispagatos.ayuda

We also started last year and also active:

- alt.2600.madrid

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Happy Hacking
ReK2

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Kyonshi

2024-09-05 12:44:37 UTC

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Post by rek2 hispagatos
https://news.hispagatos.org
Please if you are peering with us "news.hispagatos.org"
or someone that is peering with us and carry our hierarchies
please carry us. We have very active newsgroups.
- hispagatos.hacking.ctf
- hispagatos.hacking.exploits
- hispagatos.hacking.news
- hispagaos.talk
- hispagatos.test
- hispagatos.comunicados
- hispagatos.ayuda
- alt.2600.madrid
<3 usenet
Happy Hacking
ReK2

But are those mostly in Spanish or English-language?

Adam H. Kerman

2024-09-05 15:43:32 UTC

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I'm going to criticize you.

The hierarchy administrator may establish the nature of the newsgroups
in the hierarchy, institutional or regional or international, language, etc.

But alt.* is a long-established hierarchy. You aren't its administrator.
We don't have one. But that doesn't make it "anything goes".

News administrators run Usenet, not hierarchy administrator. Yes, you
present Usenet -- a specific set of newsgroups -- according to your
opinion, no one else's.

Just because you can do this doesn't mean you should.

Why would you create a newsgroup, named into alt.*, just for your News
site and your peers? That's a hostile act toward the rest of the Usenet
community. Other News administrators, especially those you don't peer
with, don't want to create a group proprietary to you, a group without
an archived newgroup message that's not in the generic active and
newsgroups files at ftp.isc.org.

Properly, a proposed group has a proponent who tells the Usenet community, I
believe in this newsgroup. I've given it a proper name so people can
find it, and its named into a proper subhiearchy with similar
newsgroups. It's not redundant of another newsgroup.

I've thought about what is to be discussed and I will describe it to the
Usenet community.

I've identified an audience for the newsgroup and I will work to promote
the group till discussion is sustainable.

Most important, I put my name on the proposal and I stand behind it with
my personal reputation. I am known for discussing this topic on Usenet.

You didn't do any of those things. The "madrid" component suggests
regional, but regional newsgroups shouldn't be named into an
international hierarchy like alt.*. The 2600 component suggests hacking.
What does "madrid" have to do with "2600"?

What language is spoken? Generally, alt.* groups are English language,
except where they aren't. There are some subhierarchies suggesting that
other languages are used.

But we'll never know. You wrote no charter. There's no newgroup message.

It's a lousy thing to do.

Julien ÉLIE

2024-09-05 21:14:32 UTC

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Hi Adam,

Post by Adam H. Kerman
You didn't do any of those things. The "madrid" component suggests
regional, but regional newsgroups shouldn't be named into an
international hierarchy like alt.*. The 2600 component suggests hacking.

About the 2600 component, I would also add that all-digit components
should be avoided as, depending on the storage method used by a news
server or client, they conflict with a possible article number 2600 in a
parent newsgroup.

With alt.2600.madrid, it should not matter much as "alt" does not exist
as a newsgroup itself, but in case ReK2 sends a newgroup control article
in alt.es.*, it would matter.
alt.es is listed in the active list of ftp.isc.org and may have an
article number 2600 stored in the /articles/alt/es/2600 file. In this
configuration, alt.es.2600.madrid cannot be added because the path
/articles/alt/es/2600/madrid cannot be created.

I would therefore suggest the use of another name.

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Julien ÉLIE

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dit. » (Philippe Geluck)

Adam H. Kerman

2024-09-05 21:31:44 UTC

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Post by Julien ÃLIE
Hi Adam,

About the 2600 component, I would also add that all-digit components
should be avoided as, depending on the storage method used by a news
server or client, they conflict with a possible article number 2600 in a
parent newsgroup.
With alt.2600.madrid, it should not matter much as "alt" does not exist
as a newsgroup itself, but in case ReK2 sends a newgroup control article
in alt.es.*, it would matter.
alt.es is listed in the active list of ftp.isc.org and may have an
article number 2600 stored in the /articles/alt/es/2600 file. In this
configuration, alt.es.2600.madrid cannot be added because the path
/articles/alt/es/2600/madrid cannot be created.
I would therefore suggest the use of another name.

Thank you. i should have quoted from Russ Allbery's Readme about the
potential for problems to be created by all-numeric components, but
I got lazy.

Retro Guy

2024-11-27 12:21:37 UTC

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On Sun, 1 Sep 2024 17:45:40 -0000 (UTC)

Should this group 'hispagatos.mastodon.tag.hacking' be part of your checkgroups? I'm receiving articles for it, but don't carry it.

Most likely it is there and I'm blind :)

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rek2 hispagatos

2024-11-27 21:33:09 UTC

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Post by Retro Guy
On Sun, 1 Sep 2024 17:45:40 -0000 (UTC)

Should this group 'hispagatos.mastodon.tag.hacking' be part of your checkgroups? I'm receiving articles for it, but don't carry it.
Most likely it is there and I'm blind :)

I do not think I did it for those, I added some newsgroups intended for
local people that were asking me for them, they are mostly intended for
people to keep up with mastodon tags or other type of hacking news etc
from other places, so I did not send a checkgroup msg as i did for the
others, I could if people in your servers will be interested in
subscribing, let me know and I will submit them.

Happy hacking
ReK2

Retro Guy

2024-11-27 23:32:21 UTC

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On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 21:33:09 -0000 (UTC)

Post by rek2 hispagatos

Post by Retro Guy
On Sun, 1 Sep 2024 17:45:40 -0000 (UTC)

Should this group 'hispagatos.mastodon.tag.hacking' be part of your checkgroups? I'm receiving articles for it, but don't carry it.
Most likely it is there and I'm blind :)

Sounds good. I added them in case anyone wants to read or contribute.

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Retro Guy <***@novabbs.org>

rek2 hispagatos

2024-11-28 14:34:01 UTC

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Post by Retro Guy
On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 21:33:09 -0000 (UTC)

Post by rek2 hispagatos

Post by Retro Guy
On Sun, 1 Sep 2024 17:45:40 -0000 (UTC)

Should this group 'hispagatos.mastodon.tag.hacking' be part of your checkgroups? I'm receiving articles for it, but don't carry it.
Most likely it is there and I'm blind :)

Sounds good. I added them in case anyone wants to read or contribute.

Awesome! thank you!