net.* hierarchy

[Jason Evans]

I recently saw mention of some great discussions in
net.subculture.usenet. I was able to read some of them from the
archive.org Usenet archives and I was surprised to see that the isc list
still contains groups in the net.* hierarchy.

I thought all of the newsgroups in that hierarchy went away after the
great renaming like to many others or converted to big-7 groups.
Obviously I was wrong. I would like to know, out of curiosity, if anyone
is responsible for that hierarchy or if it has been abandoned.

[Thomas Hochstein]

Post by Jason Evans
I was surprised to see that the isc list
still contains groups in the net.* hierarchy.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_II>

[Jason Evans]

Post by Thomas Hochstein
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_II>

OIC. I didn't realize that's what that was. That's very interesting.

[Julien ÉLIE]

Hi Jason,

Post by Jason Evans
I was surprised to see that the isc list
still contains groups in the net.* hierarchy.

The control.ctl entry for net.* should be updated BTW. These two URL do
not seem relevant any longer:
URL: http://www.usenet2.org/
Key URL: http://www.usenet2.org/***@usenet2.org.asc

Does anyone happen to know if there is still a web site to refer to?

Post by Jason Evans
Obviously I was wrong. I would like to know, out of curiosity, if anyone
is responsible for that hierarchy or if it has been abandoned.

In control.ctl, net.* has historic state, "almost entirely abandoned".
Maybe it is now totally abandoned?
http://usenet.trigofacile.com/hierarchies/index.py?see=NET

[Jason Evans]

Post by Julien ÉLIE
Does anyone happen to know if there is still a web site to refer to?

Wayback Machine is the only thing left:

https://web.archive.org/web/20050818051326/http://www.usenet2.org/

[Thomas Hochstein]

Post by Julien ÉLIE
The control.ctl entry for net.* should be updated BTW. These two URL do
URL: http://www.usenet2.org/

They disappeared about 10 years ago.

Post by Julien ÉLIE
Does anyone happen to know if there is still a web site to refer to?

I don't think so.

[Rink]

Post by Thomas Hochstein

Post by Julien ÉLIE
The control.ctl entry for net.* should be updated BTW. These two URL do
URL: http://www.usenet2.org/

They disappeared about 10 years ago.

Post by Julien ÉLIE
Does anyone happen to know if there is still a web site to refer to?

I don't think so.

I googled and found this site:

<https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/soundness-inn.html>

But I do not understand much of it and I do not know if this is what you
were looking for.
(I am not a computer / internet / usenet expert, just an user)

Rink

[Julien ÉLIE]

Hi Rink,

Post by Rink

Post by Thomas Hochstein

The control.ctl entry for net.* should be updated BTW.  These two URL do
    URL: http://www.usenet2.org/

They disappeared about 10 years ago.

Does anyone happen to know if there is still a web site to refer to?

<https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/soundness-inn.html>
But I do not understand much of it and I do not know if this is what you
were looking for.

Thanks for the pointer, I've just read that page I did not know. It
indeed gives more background about Usenet II. Pretty interesting for
historic purpose.
Yet, it was not exactly what I was looking for; this is more a FAQ and
how to configure a news server to carry Usenet II than an official homepage.
It appears from discussions in this thread that such a homepage no
longer exists. RIP.

[Russ Allbery]

Post by Julien ÉLIE
Yet, it was not exactly what I was looking for; this is more a FAQ and
how to configure a news server to carry Usenet II than an official
homepage. It appears from discussions in this thread that such a
homepage no longer exists. RIP.

Yeah, Usenet II was a failed experiment. It was active for a while, but
everyone slowly went elsewhere, mostly to another private hierarchy with
less ambitious goals and a much smaller number of peering news servers.

I've updated control.ctl to remove the legacy control information and make
it clearer that no one is using the hierarchy any more.

[Jason Evans]

Post by Russ Allbery
Yeah, Usenet II was a failed experiment. It was active for a while, but
everyone slowly went elsewhere, mostly to another private hierarchy with
less ambitious goals and a much smaller number of peering news servers.

That's sad. It seemed like an interesting project. The archives of net
hierarchy that I've been reading are here if anyone is interested:
https://archive.org/download/usenet-net

[Thomas Hochstein]

Post by Jason Evans
The archives of net
https://archive.org/download/usenet-net

I think that's not the net.* from Usenet II, but the (older) net.*
from before the Great Renaming. Those groups became the Big7 (later
Big8), so net.* had been re-purposed later on for Usenet II.

-thh

[Jason Evans]

Post by Thomas Hochstein
I think that's not the net.* from Usenet II, but the (older) net.*
from before the Great Renaming. Those groups became the Big7 (later
Big8), so net.* had been re-purposed later on for Usenet II.
-thh

It's both. I had been reading net.subculture.usenet which is a Usenet II
newsgroup.

[Thomas Hochstein]

Post by Jason Evans
It's both. I had been reading net.subculture.usenet which is a Usenet II
newsgroup.

Ah, good to know. I'll have a look, then, again.

-thh